Curse

Drakron · Jul 28, 2005, 01:59 AM // 01:59

The lag makes the game unplayable but that there are other things that are not as critical but very serious.

In the last patch they completly ruined the economy, it was already becaming bad with the drops nerfing but when the traders became insane it destroyed the economy.

That is a issue that needs to be solved, this game economy is complete rubish.

Other issues are "shiverpeeks stangglers" were the NPCs have a bad behavior (they attack the dwarf patrol and end up killed most of the time), also there are odd levels for NPCs (such as Devona and company that for some odd reason are NOT lv20 in the desert and can very well get wiped by the Hydras that have a patrol path that puts then into their walking path) and mob placement that simply forces players to rush to the NPC location before he is killed (F-U-N ...NOT).

The PvE area needs work, unfortunatly the game developers so far appear to only see the PVP section issues ...

Adaria · Jul 28, 2005, 02:00 AM // 02:00

If you think about why there haven't been updates, at least any improvements other than exploit fixes, next week should viably be the grand streaming of the Sorrow's Furnace and other area update. Next week the winners of the Brand the Bosses contest will be announced and hopefully we are safe to assume that the Sorrows Furnace update will be next week as well.

That may be exactly what they are working on, note why no updates for two weeks, but by no means is it required they do it every week. At least they update things regularly unlike most games that I know of...

Izzy Izumi · Jul 28, 2005, 02:03 AM // 02:03

I like Guild Wars, I play it every day, because it's fun. Updates are free!?

Wow. Thanks Anet!

\end feigned innocence

Truthfully, I'm happy they even update at all. It's nice to see them have a vested interest in our playing. However, issues that are issues, will take time to solve. Don't expect a fast response *with* fast recovery. Recovery will come. Just be happy they're doing something. As far as you Euro people, switch over for a while. I'll be happy to PUG with a few of you. Even though I suck. BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Walberto · Jul 28, 2005, 02:14 AM // 02:14

I don't think you can get too used to frequent updates cuz since there is no monthly cost, they have no obligation to keep udating it. Once cash from ppl buying the game itself stops rolling in, they'll prob slow down on updates A LOT.

Drakron · Jul 28, 2005, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by Adaria

... next week should viably be the grand streaming of the Sorrow's Furnace and other area update. Next week the winners of the Brand the Bosses contest will be announced and hopefully we are safe to assume that the Sorrows Furnace update will be next week as well.
...

You really think that TWO BLOODY MAPS that likely are just full of mobs with nothing else will keep me playing this until the expansion?

If I could actually play then without having "The Lag of Instant Stopping" showing up at random times ...

Serious I cannot help but laugh when people go around with "ANet is the BEST!" when the european situation is such critical and guess what?

THERE IS NO BLODDY REFERENCE TO THE PROBLEM IN GUILD WARS WEBSITE!

How nice to be noticed and no, having a post saying there is a problem in some message board is not the same thing.

Once again Europe gets the shaft ... good thing I am used to it by now (owning a PS2 I am VERY used to it).

Adaria · Jul 28, 2005, 03:33 AM // 03:33

The European lag may be due to a problem with the servers, NOT the game, or rather it could be a problem with servers between ANet and European PC users. It may not be such an easy thing to fix, its got to be difficult to find out WHERE exactly the lag is coming from, there could be thousands of reasons for it, it will take time to fix, be patient.

Drakron · Jul 28, 2005, 03:48 AM // 03:48

Its a issue ... I bet if it hitted American severs we would have a anoucement in GW site but it hit europe and who cares about europe right?

Intead what we had posted here was joke about servers in Africa ... I happen to use the /bug command and type a problem but heck I doubt anyone reads then so I am not going to even bother anymore.

And no, I am not going to be patient about it ... I had enough of "patience" with Xenosaga and the PS2 hard drive.

Aniewiel · Jul 28, 2005, 03:52 AM // 03:52

Drakon, I don't think -anyone- would be so callous as to say that no one cares about the European servers. I think a lot of people do care and I think that ANet cares as well. That they haven't 'solved' the problem indicates that maybe they can't pin down the problem(s), at least to me anyhow. It is NOT in their best interest to let down their European gamers.

I do think, however, that more specific information could be released from ANet about what it is they're looking at as far as the lag situation goes. I think that a little PR and some idea of what is going on (beyond what they've said on the main page of this site) would go a LONG way.

ManadartheHealer · Jul 28, 2005, 03:57 AM // 03:57

Europe had the favor of the gods today (tonight?). Wouldn't that be a discrepancy?

Drakron · Jul 28, 2005, 04:12 AM // 04:12

The lag spikes are random, I was doing the Frost Gate mission when I started to get lagged for a time and it returned to nomal.

They are not 24/7 but there is no way to be sure when one will hit.

And its been over 2 weeks and not even a WORD in their site over issues so excuse me as I see THAT as a complete lack of acknoledge of the issue, there is not even a warning to european players that the issue is NOT in their end but in the server.

Perhaps I am a bit anoyed to hell with this little comment as well, I know its from another forum (and quite frankly one I will not be visiting again) but I am only human and I am tired of this whole situation and bored to hell with the game.

GW Insomniac · Jul 28, 2005, 04:30 AM // 04:30

To all the players on the euro server - myself included - relax...take a chill pill.
If the lag problem is fixable...ANet will fix it,if they can't...they'll no doubt suggest an alternative.
All it takes is a little patience...

Quintus · Jul 28, 2005, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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Originally Posted by Drakron

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Perhaps I am a bit anoyed to hell with this little comment as well, I know its from another forum (and quite frankly one I will not be visiting again) but I am only human and I am tired of this whole situation and bored to hell with the game.

I'm glad you posted that link, because for a second there I actually thought there might be some pressing matters in the game that have to be fixed (such as the bad lag in Europe), but apperently I'm wrong. Thank you Gaile Gray and thank you Anet for putting my mind at ease.

[/sarcasm]

Makkert · Jul 28, 2005, 04:50 AM // 04:50

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Originally Posted by Drakron

You really think that TWO BLOODY MAPS that likely are just full of mobs with nothing else will keep me playing this until the expansion?

newsflash.
noboby BLOODY cares if you leave. get a grip.

as for the updates: they made updates weekly, and set an expectationpattern. they are not obligated to follow it. But they did set this expectationpattern, and if they decide to take it in lower gear, it would be wise to infor m the community. information sharing (just a little) is key.

Nizzim · Jul 28, 2005, 05:01 AM // 05:01

they could at least fill us in as to when we couild expect a new update

BigTru · Jul 28, 2005, 05:01 AM // 05:01

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Originally Posted by Makkert

newsflash.
noboby BLOODY cares if you leave. get a grip.

Thank you, quoted for truth.

It's free. Stop playing whenever the hell you feel like. I doubt I'll be playing all the way up till expansion pack - but guess what? As soon as the expansion pack drops, I can piick this game up again because it does not have a reactivation fee nor does it have a monthly fee.

In conclusion, stop playing. I don't care.

DrSLUGFly · Jul 28, 2005, 05:08 AM // 05:08

omfgo red engine! I've been playing this red engine go game for 3 red engine months already and they've only given me 16 patches!!! lazy red engine go red engine go's!

Some people react like Anet has no clue that the Euro server is suffering under critical lag (no exaggeration). They have to deal with this lag AND prepare to launch the new zones lest they receive more massive firestorms for not releasing the new zones on time.

Sure, 16 patches may seem like a lot to the untrained eye... but any who has played ANY other game, online or otherwise would realize that in 3 months, an average of 4.5 patches per month is chump change... why, the worst of dev teams update an average 5 times per week! Who the go red engine do the dev team think they are with this shoddy and nearly non-existant support?

additional thought: It might be worthwhile to read the OP without reading the thread title... in the post itself there seems to be no real complaint but merely speculation and optimism.

Nizzim · Jul 28, 2005, 05:17 AM // 05:17

thanks slug, i love u

dargon · Jul 28, 2005, 05:47 AM // 05:47

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Originally Posted by Nizzim

they could at least fill us in as to when we couild expect a new update

In the immortal words of John Carmack, "WHEN IT'S READY"

Gaile Gray · Jul 28, 2005, 07:42 AM // 07:42

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Originally Posted by Drakron

Its a issue ... I bet if it hitted American severs we would have a anoucement in GW site but it hit europe and who cares about europe right?

WE care about Europe. We care so much about Europe that we rolled out Guild Wars at the same time as it was released in North America. How many titles can you name that have done that? Not a whole heck of a lot!

WE care about Europe. Guild Wars is localized in four European languages. If you want to get angry, consider other studios that have no option for Italian and Spanish speaking players. Guild Wars offers localized versions in Italian and Spanish, and we do it with pride.

WE care about Europe. I've posted about the subject on multiple forums with European visitors; my European CC has done the same. Every single fansite operator received a letter telling him/her of the problem and assuring that we are working on the problem and will continue to do so until it's fixed. We will be sure to keep the community informed, you can bet on that.

Guild Wars is a global game, with a worldwide player base. And we think about that, and care for that, every single day.

WE care about Europe.

Don't ever think otherwise.

Fantus · Jul 28, 2005, 08:48 AM // 08:48

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

WE care about Europe.

Don't ever think otherwise.

I don't think that the vast majority of the players questions that. Currently it's just that playing on EU servers sucks. I am not talking about the lag thing since I do understand that those technical things happen and I have full faith that you address them as fast as you can. I am talking about the favor of the gods thing. It has been known for a while now that European players are on a major disadvantage in terms of access to Underworld and Fissure. US and Korea seem to have favor about 98% of the time (feel free to correct me if this estimation is wrong). As a result I have seen Underword exactly one time and Fissure not all despite /age says that I have been playing GW for around 500 hours.

The lag thing will be gone one day, no doubt about that. The favor problem will remain since it's a result of a very major flaw in the game - the Worlds at War concept, that completely neglected the fact that the three regions are by far not fighting on even terms here.

In another post, you told us not the leave EU servers. To be completly honest, currently there is NO reason at all to stay there (unless you have no command of the English language, that is). My mouse finger is hovering above the "change territory" button almost on a daily basis and the only reason I haven't yet clicked it is the small hope that A-Net might abandon the Worlds at War flaw (I am not daring to call it a "feature") from the game and possibly unite US and EU territories LIKE IT SHOULD BE. There are tons of reasons for that which are even beyond the favor problem - like the fact that English speaking Europeans tend to have friends/guildmates in America. You indicated in another post that you are aware of them problem. This is good and I am willing to wait until you implemented whatever you came up with as a solution. The only thing I am humbly asking for is a small hint about the nature of the solution. That's all. It would make remaining on EU servers a lot easier for the time being.